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Originally posted by 7th Prophecy:
well, some of the things stated in the book of Revelations sure do correlate with today's world...like the fact that the nations will all unite as one world power...hence, we have the UN...this mystical book of the Holy Bible also states that there will be a period of knowledge...hence, we have already passed three times the speed of sound by flight, doctors have medicines out to alleviate most of your pain...if it doesnt totally cure your illness, such as cancer, then it at least helps slow the progress of the illness so that you can live longer...any more facts you all would like to know?

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Without any time limits, any prophecy is bound to come true eventually. This is just common sense. I can predict the end of the world and be very correct, as long as I never assign an actual time of event.

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First of all, about faith: In order to be faith, belief must be based on truth. Any belief that isn't true is called "superstition."

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Religion is nothing more than superstition. It's bad luck to be superstitious.

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Thirdly, creation: The fact is that evolution has been disproved by scientists! It is insufferably appalling that they are still propounding a theory that is a known and proven lie. But that seems to be the way of the world. I have read books by several scientists - and heard another interviewed on the world news report - who have made this very statement: that scientists KNOW that evolution is untrue.

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Prove this. How about some reference to hard cold facts. How did you derive this statement? From a christian article or book?
Christians will stop at nothing short of lies and deceit to disprove the evidence against their "one truth".

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Pain - suffering - death - These are man's doing - not God's. He created mankind to live forever in glory with Him. We are the ones who chose to die rather than live. Yes, it's true that religion has been the cause of much suffering, death, and persecution. But, again, that is not God's doing. He never intended that for us. That was OUR choice.

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Exactly, very religious mens' doing. I could see maybe just killing someone out of what they considerd mercy, but they actually tortured those who were deemed as witches, unbelievers, astronomers....etc. in the worst ways they could possibly conjure up. All in the name of god....

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But Jesus is. God Himself DID come down and show Himself to us - in Jesus Christ. He IS God incarnate. He came as Jesus because He loves us SO MUCH (there aren't words to describe that kind of love!). He died to pay the debt that we could not pay - because He LOVES US SO MUCH! We need to be thankful that our God is a God who loves us! Suppose He didn't!

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If I was Jesus, I would think you'd kill me again, assuming I was capable of returning. I mean, those crosses everywhere....how morbid. It just looks like you're ready to repeat the whole crucifixion. If he did return, you'd never believe it was him out of faith alone, he'd have to prove it to you or you'd just think he was one more looney going around claiming to be Jesus.

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Are you worthy? The fact that God loves you (just as you are) and the fact that Christ died for you (even when you were His enemy, as all of us are before we accept Him) proves that He thinks you are worthwhile.

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Christ didn't die for you, you(humans) killed him. Is twisting the event's meaning a way of defending yourself from the guilt of our species or something? After all, if he had produced a child before his death, we might all have some kind of extraordinary powers, right?

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He wants to forgive us our sins even more than we want to be forgiven.

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I'm not a sinner. I have never purposely harmed anyone except in self defense. My morals are mine, and they are good. You don't have to believe in god to have good morals and be a good person.

Ok....with that said, I'm off to experiment with NVidia drivers!

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I am a pedant. It was Nietzsche who proclaimed "God is dead".

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No you are not a pedant. You are correct. Sartre just borrowed Nietsche's proclamation and instituted as a pillar to his own philosophical school of thought; which by the way stems from Nietsche himself and Kiekegaard, who is regarded today as one of the first existentialists (although the word hadn't been coined yet), although later in life Kierkegaard decided to take a leap of faith and became a christian. Cheers.

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Originally posted by memo:
Sartre just borrowed Nietsche's proclamation and instituted as a pillar to his own philosophical school of thought; which by the way stems from Nietsche himself and Kiekegaard, who is regarded today as one of the first existentialists (although the word hadn't been coined yet), although later in life Kierkegaard decided to take a leap of faith and became a christian. Cheers.

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Yeah, unfortunately Sartre was also inspired by the nazi swine, Martin Heidegger. He also found no time to condemn Stalins communist regime, unlike his compatriot Albert Camus - who was my kind of thinker.

That said, it was Sartres novel, Nausea, that switched me on to all this stuff in the first place.....

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Originally posted by theoldbogman:
Well everyone here is one more for the pot, what do you all think of reincarnation? Do we just die? Do we face a god or do we come back to this earth as someone or something else?
I for one can not understand why I should live through this life just for it to end at my death; do I have a soul? I don’t know but I do believe my body is made up of an electric current, an energy that must move on to some where after my death, but where? To some it will go to god, to others it will just go into the ground, believe what you will but I hope that I will move on to something better to join with a greater life force if there is one out there in this great universe. So where do you believe your soul or life force will go when you die? And if there is reincarnation for GOD sake don’t bring me back as a sheep until this foot and mouth thing is over.

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Well, I do believe in energy, and energy never dies, it merely changes forms. Where certain energy forms go is anyone's guess. But I do think it's a constant transferance. It doesn't fall into the pattern of science for any energy form to just disappear or to stay in one form for an "eternity". That's not the way it works.....

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As for afterlife, I believe that the energy we create comes from our brain, and once the brain is dead, that energy ceases to exist. If a battery produces x amount of energy, and then it runs out of energy, where does that energy go? Nowhere, it is depleted and found the end of its life. Hence death.

Which brings us to the point of the present again. The only time when you are alive is now. And consequently every human should live each nanosecond of his existance as if it were the last, because it could very well be. This doesn't mean fear, or complete chaos at all, just a way of looking at life for what it is, some finite and wonderful experience. We can certainly perpetuate ourselves in our children, but that is a vague line of reasoning, since they are their own individuals and they will most likely be confronted with far more demanding dilemmas than the ones at present time. Cheers.

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It is a fascinating enigma, and I love the fact that it will probably go unanswered for many eons yet. That's what makes life mysterious and unpredictable and definetely worth living in my view. It would be very boring, when you think of it, if we had the answers to every question, don't you think?

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Originally posted by SloppyGoat:
Well, I haven't really had the pleasure of conversing with you, Jim. Although, your reputation precedes you and I look forward to having many intelligent discussions with you. Anyone who's alright with Memo and Davey is alright with me.
Nice to meet you....

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I was asked this evening, to come take a look at whats was going on over here, and so here I am.
I use sloppy goat as a quote here because I found it funny. For reasons I feel no need to go in to. ( Hi SG)

I wanted to get in on this just because after reading it all the way thru, I find myself wondering how I ever called memo my friend. Not just a friend, but one of my best friends.
I am quite put off by his attitude here in this thread, and in general these days.
As he has posted here in this thread, it is a good topic to leave open to see how people react and debate a subject, even if it's not what this thread started out to be.
There was once a thread called whos your tweakgod? In it, I spoke right up saying Memo hands down the top of the list.
Jim, while being a nice guy it has seemed to me over the last few years, is not all that into tweaking. So, for him to be on a list with memo as a god? No, it isnt exactly a correct thing to post about.
(no offence Jim)

Here's a bit about myself for all to see, since it seems that's more of what is actually going on here.

I like Xmas, always did. And I like easter.
2 wonderful holidays that "some" like to share with family and friends.

If memo wants to know why god lets things go on the way he does, it's quite funny to me he puts up a bunch of links to crap he thinks makes his point. when in fact, the reason god "lets" things happen is because it's not up to him to sort out the problems we all face, it's up to us.

As human beings we all have the opertunity to make our own choices, and some make the wrong ones. Even the bad people in this world who kill children, or whatever crap Memo has stated, have thier place in this world, I dont agree with those people who do bad things, but it will go on, that's the way of this world, as humans we're all flawed.
We can only learn from bad things, for the good of ourselves, that's the reason bad things happen to good people. Sad but true.

At one time I would have said in short order Memo was a tweak god to me, I've learned much from him over the last few years. And for that, and I've said it many times. I'm happy to have met him. And been able to have learned something from him.

But the crap he his spewing here in this thread is just plain garbage.
Being able to debate something, and maybe coming to some understanding somehow is a good thing for all. But I see no debate from his desk, I see an attitude that reflects a way of life, that IMO sucks.

I sit here in a cloud of confusion wondering about when you or I meet someone online, and think they are cool, or nice, or intellegent.
And realize how wrong we can all be about thinking that way.
I was as wrong as can be about memo, and this thread has proven that to me once and for all.
I find his posts here utter crap, that he should not have put up for all to see, because it certainly shows the real "Memo" that most would never have known, had he not.

But then, it's a good thing, because now I have a real view of who this fellow is, and it bothers me that I was so blinded by him at one time I had no idea who he "really" is.
Whoever started this thread, (I don't care to go back and look) thank you. Most of the posts here where interesting to read, but memo's? I just find offensive to all as a race of people on this earth.
Sure, he's not alone in his beliefs, but as I say, it's up to all us, as individuals to make up our minds about things, and we all do, as you can read in this thread.
I would only say this, There is a god, I dont care where you are, what you believe. There is a god.
If you dont want to believe me?
Just wait till you need him. memo will certainly need him at some point, and when he does? I hope he remembers the crap he posted here, and I hope he finds himself embarrassed about his attitude in this thread.
I find his comments a bore, and its a shame to see him in this light. For someone who considers himself educated? You should re read your posts for the answer to that question.

So with that said, I have no choice, if there's only Jim and memo on the ballot?
Jim get's my vote.
I'm ashamed to have ever called Memo my friend.
So long for now, keep tweaking guys. I'm sure thats one thing we would all agree on, tweaking can be more fun than talking about god.

(no offence GOD)
Sorry to anyone who is bothered by my post here, but I had to stop by.

I don't know what's going on between you two, but it's obviously a personal matter best discussed away from a public message board.
If you can't be yourself amongst friends, they aren't really your friends.

Sorry if I've offended you......

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I don't really know the problems Infopro is referring to, other than the problems that we face everyday as we walk the streets of this planet. Perhaps if I would have helped him out more with his message board, the situation would be different. But as I said to him, if we can't agree in the use of filters, well, there are other things that we'll disagree as well that are more important than that.

As for my feelings towards the people you mention in your out of the blue post. Davey is young, and full of energy, and as I did when I was his age sometimes that energy goes channeled in directions that are not the best. But, I am a live and let live person. I commend Davey for his commitment to help and continue to learn. I think if Priest came here more often it'd be more fun with Davey because I used to enjoy their funny exchanges.

As for Jim, I don't know what to say man, I find Jim a very cool guy that's trying to make something happen big time, and succeeding too. You barked at the wrong tree there, because if there is one person that has gained my total respect in the time that I've been a part of this team, that is Jim or Wiseguy or whatever alias he'd choose to use.

Sorry if my ideas offended you Infopro, but then again yours are offensive to me, and you don't see me desecrating your name here, do you?

Oh well, just another day on earth. Cheers.

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I would only say this, There is a god, I dont care where you are, what you believe. There is a god.

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Mechanical energy is produced, consumed or converted.
It neither lives nor dies. It is simply there or it not.
My Chevy truck crapped out beside the road for example.

I think it might be matter that never “dies”. Although it seems the nuclear age may have changed those ideas.

It is possible for all combatants in intellectual battles to leave the field claim claiming total annihilation of the enemy.

It is not only sailors that change direction with the wind.

The atheist says, “There is no hell.”

The agnostic says, “The hell if I know.”

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Originally posted by erict3:
A few thoughts:

Mechanical energy is produced, consumed or converted.
It neither lives nor dies. It is simply there or it not.
My Chevy truck crapped out beside the road for example.

I think it might be matter that never “dies”. Although it seems the nuclear age may have changed those ideas.

It is possible for all combatants in intellectual battles to leave the field claim claiming total annihilation of the enemy.

It is not only sailors that change direction with the wind.

The atheist says, “There is no hell.”

The agnostic says, “The hell if I know.”

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You are correct. Mechanical, or kinetic energy, is dependant on another force. Your truck uses fuel to create a kinetic force, which creates a daisy chain of moving parts. But, as I stated in an earlier post, all matter is merely molecules condensed to a slow vibration. There is always an energy of some kind in anything. It's just on a molecular scale which you tend not to consider, since it is not visible to the human eye. Energy is alive in a rock, a piece of wood, stationary metal objects...etc. Nothing is really solid, some things are just more condensed than others, giving the appearance of a solid. After all, if you were the size of a molecule, you'd see many, many new forms of energy that normally go unnoticed. And the scale goes in both directions....larger than you can possibly imagine, and smaller....

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SloopyGoat I agree with all you said except for “sorry if I’ve offended you” Infopro never gave a second thought to offending Memo, or to how offensive his words may have been to other members of this board. This is not the place to slag someone off there is only one place for that and its face to face.

So Infopro if there is a god let him be the judge of Memo, and please leave us out of it.

And if I have offended you,well if the cap fits wear it.

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Sloppy, you are right. Info wants to run the www as if it were his invention. The use of foul language must be considered within the context, and while I don't agree with people swearing every other word, sometimes there is only one word to convey the way you feel about anything. I am very patient and I don't think that I ever had to "warn" you or anything for the use of bad language. You are capable of discerning, and therefore it is a cool thing to see you elevate above the trivialy of semantics. Cheers.

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